Its mostly about cache and drive speed with HDD's. This Constellation has 64MB cache and is 7200 rpm so it should be fine compared to most HDD's but I would stay away from anything with less (for those specific purposes). I like Toshiba HDD's. They're pretty reliable.
Great review on that case! It came with 5 fans pre-installed?!? wow. Oh... and dont be ashamed of optical drives. These idiots on youtube love shaming people that still use them and want them in their cases but I still find them very useful as I'm sure many other people do as well.
Yeah... I have a few games stored on there that I dont play as often. Performance is pretty decent. I've had that Constellation for a while and its been a good drive. It was even a main operating system drive for a bit.
My steam library is pretty small in general and I'm picky about games. But when I find one I like I tend to stick with it for a while. Mostly I use the Samsung ssd to store the main game I'm playing though. (Right now its Battlefront 2 but I also keep Rocket League, and a few others)
No... wish I did. I've tried to trade a couple of pascal cards to multiple people for polaris cards.
I dont know... you tell me what you're interested in and what your limit is. I have several Pascal cards I would be interested in trading. Since its for an HTPC (that wont require much gpu power) I would assume you could possibly be interested in something with less (1050ti, RX 570, RX 580, 1060, 1070, etc).
I like the case choice. Cant beat 3 RGB fans AND tempered glass included with it for that price. Airflow isn't horrible. I do wish it had top fan mounting ability but other than that its a great case for the price. I got it for $59.99.
Great looking build! Can you help me out? I built my Ryzen computer in the same Cooler Master case and cant get the fan lighting to work. The fans spin but the RGB led's dont work for some reason. How did you plug yours in? Did you have to use any software to get them to work?
I can vouch for the Seagate M12ii520. Have one in my Ryzen 5 1600 build. Great psu and full modularity. I got mine for $30 so they do go on sale. The 620 watt version in on sale for $40 right now which seems like a GREAT price point.
Almost $1800 and no ssd... feelsbadman. I know you said you're gonna get one in the future but honestly I dont know how anyone builds a computer without one this day in age. Particularly at this price point.
I've got a few lying around I could sell you (a brand new Crucial Mx300 275GB 2.5") if can get one now.
Still... a decent build. Up ;)
are they 6700k or the non-k skew?
I wouldn't pay $1300. Not for a 4 core previous gen computer with a HIGHLY overpriced, extremely overkill, and SEMI modular $200+ psu?!? what?
Total price is high. $1200 seems more like it and probably less than that if used (all parts aren't in original boxes/wrap.)
figured it had to have some kind of caviats. Still a good deal on the other stuff though.
Beautiful build... great part choices and case choice as well.
I'm good to go whenever you are... just PM me paypal info and personal contact information similar to the PM I sent you last week.
NICE! good job man
still for sale... surely someone wants a good deal on this game.
I've purchased a couple of 760's for $50. Been able to resell or give them to people for around $60 but that's about as high as anyone will pay.
yeah... Sorry I cant offer more man but they're some old parts that I dont really need, but would be nice to have. I'm sure you know that the number of people who could still use a core 2 quad system for anything is getting harder and harder to find.
I have a current LGA 775 system that just needs a little upgrade when I move it into my HTPC case.
I can do $35 shipped for the motherboard
or $50 shipped add the memory
or $65 shipped add the memory and cpu.
I'll go 65 if you throw in the processor.
processor, heatsink, lga 775 motherboard and ram?
Or were you saying everything on the list?
Hey Grant... thanks for messaging. Sounds great. Check US postal service if possible. will definitely be cheaper.
Happy Thanksgiving to you as well...
I got your PM's... Where are you located? US?
still for sale...
Sure... the code is through Uplay. I received the game code as part of a reward for purchasing a new Ryzen computer system.
Basically... you log into their website using an Asus login and input the game code and motherboard information (both of which I will supply after payment is received - the motherboard information is from the board that I purchased but does not have to be played on the motherboard that I purchased. )Then download the game and play. Its not hard to do. I've done it on other games, just not really into this one and dont have time for another game right now.
yes... this is PC only code.
I will take the MSI N1996 LGA 775 motherboard you have and the DDR2 memory as well. PM me details please
I have a 500GB Samsung 840 evo I will sell for $100obo
Interested in selling for cash? I might be interested if the price is right. Just let me know how much you're looking for.
Wow where was this last week. I'll take it if pending sales fall through
I'm not angry at all and sorry if I got defensive. I'm just having it out with several people about this same topic at the same time. They all say the same thing and dont really understand the "real world" amount of time being saved. Your point about an increase in performance being "redundant" is just wrong. I'll get to that in a second (or minute if you're willing to wait that long lol).(See what I did there)
People pay MUCH MORE for smaller increases in performance (or time saving strategies) in other areas all the time regardless of VALUE. Again, I'm not arguing the value standpoint. That is a very subjective thing and to some people it makes sense to spend more for nvme or m.2 drives. For others it doesn't. No argument there.
Where you're wrong is that the performance increase is "redundant". You only mentioned the 40% decrease (a few seconds) in boot time. In load times on programs (games included) the decrease is 50-60% and more measured in minutes. That translates to minutes which translate to hours of time spent waiting doing nothing waiting on a drive. Sure SATA is plenty fast for some people but the increase in performance (decrease in waiting time) is scientific proven fact for nvme and M.2. I'm not condoning blowing a massive sum of money on a huge M.2 drive (even though the value and performance gets even better). Instead I'm saying that nvme and its performance increases warrant a small to medium sized drive (250-500GB) main OS/program drive which will be used a daily basis and save you valuable time when doing a quick task. I dont typically need more than a 250ish GB boot drive in any computer and usually around 1TB of storage is plenty for me because I use external storage to back things up.
Ex: Samsung 850 evo 250GB sata ssd's are around $90 MSRP nowadays. 960 evo 256GB M.2 are around $120. (That's a 30% increase in cost from one drive to another btw and not 40) To me it was well worth $30 extra to get it. $30 increase in a $1000 system is a no brainer. Its a 3% increase in cost (not 40%-although I understand where your % came from). Would I even consider purchasing a 1TB or larger m.2? Hell no. No more than I would consider purchasing a SATA SSD any larger than 1TB. They're still overpriced and I just dont need anything that large. I know everyone's needs are different and some people do need larger drives for 4k video and high
To ME... perfect storm setup:
250GB-500GB nvme M.2 boot/program drive
500GB-1TB SATA ssd Game/Large program/ETC drive
Whatever additional storage you need: 7200 RPM HDD
Budgeted accordingly ofcourse. My first opt out in that list (if I cant get all 3) is the middle man because I can get a 500GB m.2 and a good HDD and save a little money on the price of all 3. SATA drives are not less expensive enough than an M.2 to warrant having older slower tech. Particularly tech with extra cables in my case, take up case real-estate, and do fail quite a bit. Just saying. If the OP or ANYONE is considering purchasing an SSD OS/boot drive... nvme M.2 makes perfectly good sense for many reasons not the least of which is faster boot times.
they're $15 with no MIR on Newegg or Amazon pretty regularly. DEFINITELY will be during black friday. Just give it a week or so and buy one on there. If not I have one BNIB I will sell for $15 plus actual shipping.
Understandable. I'm not a huge gamer by any means. So spending anywhere north of $300-$400 for a gpu is insanity to me. In addition, gpu's are a HORRIBLE investment because they depreciate fast, dont have a value long shelf life, and constantly get replaced by newer tech. I would only sacrifice the $100 in storage for something else that kept its value like a nice psu or watercooling part or even a nicer case which doesn't need to be replaced every 2-3 years.
boot times are about 40-60% difference and load times are nearly doubled on sata vs nvme. Proven fact.
Just to get the discussion going I'll go ahead and step out there and say how much I love and highly suggest the Samsung 960 evo m.2. Value to performance I think the 250gb ($117) or 500gb ($230ish) variants make incredible boot drives and are definitely worth the price increase for most computer systems over $1000. For a budget computer where every $10-$20 is somewhat significant I would probably suggest just going sata ssd. Really depends on your budget on what you want out of your computer.
The other factor that a lot of people like to leave out about m.2 is longevity and reliability. From what I understand m.2 seems to last longer and have less issues than some sata ssd's. I've had several sata ssd's fail and its always frustrating. Granted, Crucial MX300 isn't known for that and has been notoriously very reliable but when you add the other previously mentioned factors in, I say go for the NVME.
Just my $.02 ;)
The video posted above clearly shows a 6 second boot time (960 evo m.2) vs 10 second boot time (crucial MX300 sata ssd) and several varying time difference in loads (ex. 30 second load time (960 evom.2 ) vs 60 second load time (crucial mx300 sata ssd). If you call that indistinguishable then that's just plain ignorant.
Whether its worth the price per performance increase, is subjective and personal but no one of reputable stature denies that there actually is an increase from sata to nvme. That much is FACT and purely scientific at this point. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Based on the fact that you didn't specifically reference the 960 evo m.2, I'm guessing you had another brand of nvme drive or weren't using m.2 at all. To be clear... not ALL nvme drives are as fast as Samsung's 960 pro or evo (especially in their price range), so your results may have varied there. Other brands do admittedly have less increase in performance and therefore might not be worth the switch. But that's purely opinion from a dollar to performance comparison.
There IS a scientific increase in performance/difference between nvme and sata in boot, load, and read/write, etc etc speeds.
100% agreed on the 6600 and the Windows 7. Better cheaper processors out there and as much as I loved Windows 7, Windows 10 has come a long way.
Thanks for the feedback on the Geil RAM. I've never owned any of theirs but was simply going for the cheapest 2400 Mhz or better in my suggested build. Also, I had to RMA a T-Force NightHawk kit I bought (first purchase from them) so I would stay away from theirs too. Hard to beat Corsair or GSkill in the RAM game... just wait for the right sale.
So what part about Hardware Unboxed video didn't make sense? Thank you for proving my point. Sure he said that SATA ssd's are plenty fast for some people but the price difference to me is worth every penny and I'm not the only one who feels that way. The 960 evo SMASHED the Crucial MX300 sata drive (which is one of the best ones made). Time differences were obvious. It cut some of them in half.
You're just plain WRONG about "indistinguishable performance uplift". I know its a highly debated topic and I dont expect you to change your mind. Those who haven't upgraded for whatever reason simply dont understand how much time doing general things that you save. Its worth every penny. To me if load times take 20 seconds on an ssd and 10 seconds on an nvme drive that's time I didn't waste doing nothing and it that adds up exponentially.
Seasonic's psu quality rivals EVGA and Corsair followed only closely by FSP, Be Quiet, Thermaltake, Fractal, etc. in that respective order. If you think a newcomer to the psu market from a budget oriented company who still cant manage to make a case properly, (even though they've been attempting to for years,) can even come close to the PSU quality of a front runner, you need to educate yourself past one review on one website. Hell... they cant even get the spelling right on their packaging. Not sure what "SILENCE PERFROMANCE" even is. LUL. I guess next you're gonna try to tell me Rosewill psu's are better too huh?
BTW... I saw that Bitfenix won a 2016 award from Tom's hardware for Top 5 best 550 watt psu but they didn't even have representation in any other wattage range. Seems their psu's aren't bad even if they cant spell or make a package. I still wouldn't purchase one. Here's that article:
Then again... you started your last post with negativity about the widely known best SSD manufacturer in the world, so anything is possible huh? I'm not sure where you got your info from. The Samsung 960 pro has the best boot times of any ssd (m.2 or otherwise) on earth and while the 960 evo doesn't perform quite as well it stills wipes the floor with sata ssd's. System responsiveness is also unmatched by any SATA ssd and most other nvme m.2's dont come close with the exception of two or three and most of those are MUCH more expensive. I own several of the Samsungs (960 pro and evo) as well as MANY sata ssd's in various brands. I've bench tested them in real world scenarios including gaming and otherwise. But you dont have to take my word for it. There are hundreds of reviews across numerous platforms to back that information up. Here's a big one:
The 960 evo 250GB version is considered by many people to be one of the best ssd's in "bang for the buck" scenarios around. Its absolutely worth the $117 price for a 250GB boot/OS/program drive. In a $1000 build it absolutely has a place and sata capacity should take a back seat. Hell most people are using older sata ssd's for bulk capacity anyways.
Furthermore...I hate Samsung as a company in general, as they make MANY products that aren't worth AF... but they know how to make the best ssd's. Period.
I like this build from Vagabond139 but I would have gone with a Samsung 960 evo M.2 250gb ssd and a better psu. I wouldn't trust a Bitfenix psu for anything and you dont need more wattage at all. 500 or more should be plenty. I was trying to fit in the Ryzen 7 1700x into a $1000 build but it kept coming out between $1050 and $1100. (Maybe stretch the budget just a little if doing less gaming and more other things.)
The GPU (1060 6GB vs RX580) is really a matter of which games the person plays and if they prefer more memory or not. Personally I would take a 1060 6GB over any RX 580 4GB all day.
Here's what I came up with:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
I can personally vouch for the Deepcool Dukase v2 (INCREDIBLE case for $40), the CoolerMaster 240mm cooler, Samsung 960 Evo m.2 ssd (fastest for the money on earth), the EVGA 650w gold psu, and the EVGA gpu. I own all of them and they are GREAT parts. Also that 520 watt Seasonic Bronze fully modular psu will go on sale for around $30 pretty frequently. I got mine for $25 after a MIR and discount.
Good deal.... bought it myself. Great cooling at a budget price.
I wish you the best with it. My references were to a time when Rosewill psu's were being reported to spontaneously combust. Those that weren't doing that were having difficulties with maintaining voltages when overclocking. Platinum doesn't mean much if it doesn't work properly (although yours seems to work fine). Also, other brands are offering 10 years or more on their warranty. Personally, I just dont trust them enough to risk an expensive computer build but to each his own.
Honestly if I had it then do over I would purchase the 1600x for $199 and buy the Cooler master 212 led for $14.99 on Newegg special right now.
BUT... Christmas specials are coming up and might be even better.
Nice! I missed the link/blue lettering. Thanks man.
Just no... only if the 6600k is at stock speeds and even then only barely. There is a DRASTIC difference between stock and overclocked 6600k.
That's like using the 7700k at stock speeds. Everyone and their mom knows its trash at stock speeds and that overclocking it is what MADE the cpu. Same with overclokcing I5's.
$29.99 minus $10 MIR is the cheapest I was able to find it for on Newegg. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099&cm_re=hyper_212-_-35-103-099-_-Product
Link to your deal?
Samsung 960 evo is much better and at less than half the price
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Also, I was actively looking for a good deal on memory so I was searching Newegg and Amazon every day for a couple weeks. Generally they have the best deals. I don’t trust B&H or OutletPC any of the other retailers on this website. Their customer service is horrible and both of them have denied RMA claims within 30 days on me before.
I did find the Patriot 8GB 3000 (2x4GB)for $59.99 which if I had purchased 2 would have made 16GB for $120 but there is a waiting list for it. I didn’t feel like waiting and the GSkill is nicer imo. The other factor was that I payed $75 per 16GB kit just last year so I refused to pay more than $140 for one now.