Should change the title to say: A fool and his money soon part ways.
Idk how do you like the looks of it? That's the most important thing. The case fans that pc cases come with are just fine, you don't need anymore unless you want quieter ones or fancy neon lighted fans.
Only extra fan that you would benefit from would be a cpu fan. But that's it.
More isn't always better (because you will have less money after spending more), that's a very fast food American concept. There is a tipping point. For gaming alone, 4-6gb is currently the most anyone can use. There prolly is some odd, quirky circumstance where someone does use 8gb (for gaming) maybe stacking dozens upon dozens of mods onto a single game. Or some ridiculous 4k tri-monitor 4 setup, idk.
But 8gb will get you very adequate in the near future proofing. Beyond the near future, who knows? No 1 has a magical crystal ball to predict the future.
According to GPUboss 770>280X. But I haven't done a ton of looking thru other review sites to see if that true in every case. http://www.microcenter.com/product/413255/Intel_Core_i5-4570_32GHz_Boxed_Processor?rf=Search+Results+Top+%3e+Feature+2+%3e+Processors+Intel%2fAMD+-+Top+2
GPU is a far better investment and its not even close. It's the number 1 component to spend most of your budget on for gaming builds, cpu is a distant second. The 780 is only slightly better than the 770, so maybe your money might be better spend with more overclocked 770 gpu like the EVGA acx http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130946
Idk a lot of opinions on that. 780 does give you 3gb, so maybe a bit more future proofing and better at higher resolutions than 1080p if you uprade to a 1440p monitor down the road.
Case will meet all your needs, perfect size of not too big or small, and is a good price, however it's boring looking. No way around that. So it's a preference thing, it is nice that u can add a side fan for extra gpu cooling. Another slightly more flashy, but still pretty tame looking case is the one I use currently (Bitfenix Shinobi) http://pcpartpicker.com/part/bitfenix-case-shinobiwindow
grab the 1866 ram. and fyi that 212 evo is great for the money, but the pics don't show its as wide as your case and will almost touch your side door. heres an alternative choice if that's fugly to you like it was for me, corsair H60 or enermax (replace the rear exhaust fan with this): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214055
Also unless your really going to overclock your cpu (very pointless current since most games run mostly off your gpu), you could get a i5 locked version for $159. http://www.microcenter.com/product/413255/Intel_Core_i5-4570_32GHz_Boxed_Processor?rf=Search+Results+Top+%3e+Feature+2+%3e+Processors+Intel%2fAMD+-+Top+2
Depends on what most games your asking about. BF4/Crysis 3, prolly low maybe med with low frames. Older games sure medium settings.
"3gb of vram hasn't been shown to improve much of anything yet. Case in point is the fact that the 3gb 780ti and 780 outperform the 290 and 290x at 4k, while having one less gb of vram"
True in AMD's hands. However, once NVidia releases their 4bg or 6gb card I believe their secret sauce will work wonders. But time will tell.
No but $20 plus the $50 that he's under his $800 budget currently will get him that next tier gpu. A 760 is one of the more efficient cards out there, so there wouldn't be any point to waiting for Maxwell later this year just for that feature unless maybe we're talking laptops. Besides sounds like he's building it now. MSI 760 card on newegg for $240.
I think the ideal solution would be to wait for the 800-series and get a gpu that has more than 3gb ram. Just a thought because I've going over the same things in my mind over the decision to upgrade and I've been leaning that way lately.
Depends on the which version, but you can get the MSI 760 for $240 at newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127745
Ok fair enough on the 270x, but with money saved on the overclocked cpu, a gpu would be within his $800 budget. There's nothing out there that uses the power of a 4th gen i5, let alone one that's overclocked. (Plus, you'd still need to buy a cpu cooler to do that because the factory one wont cut it.) I've read in several places where Skyrim with dozens upon dozens of mods stacked up could, but at that point, you'd still need a better gpu.
So money saved on the K is much better spend on the gpu, in my opinion.
You wont need a "k" cpu which is for overclocking. Games run heavily off your gpu (most important component) so that's your bottleneck and where to spend the most money. http://www.microcenter.com/product/413255/Intel_Core_i5-4570_32GHz_Boxed_Processor?rf=Search+Results+Top+%3e+Feature+2+%3e+Processors+Intel%2fAMD+-+Top+2
From what Ive read (do some of your own googling to back it up), the 270x is pretty much a scam because its just a factory overclocked 270, which you could just do yourself. So the next bump up in gpu's would be the amd 280 or the NVidia 760. I'd have a look at those two.
770 would give you way more bang for your buck.
Maybe with several effects turned off, but otherwise idk I have to see a benchmark on that. My 670 from over a year ago is faster than the 760.
You wont even touch ultra settings with a 760 gpu. Otherwise, pretty solid components.
Ok you found one that just released and costs $140. Not 2, but just one that does that. Hardly proves anything and doubtful it even sells many at that price. That your best shot bro?
Pretty you just made all that up. No1 uses copper fins for one thing.
Explain to me how many odd shapes and different setups there are in water cooling besides the size of it. Because I don't see any. You'll always see more performance in something that costs more like your X60 using higher end fan/pump bearings. So not really a valid point.
Thermal paste is highly recommended on anything that touches your cpu. The contacts on water cooler is identical to air cooling.
Actually I couldn't disagree more. You have obvious performance differences in aircoolers and its a very ignorant statement not backed by any kind of reviews at all. Even among air coolers in gpu's you have pretty substantial differences leading to higher factory overclocked speeds. Case in point: the EVGA ACX cooling and the ASUS cards that use heat sink tubes running in crazy directions for 30% more cooling they claim. These kind of engineering differences do not exist in water cooling.
Just look at this odd vapor heatsink: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103189
Well in 5 years basically any current card will be $50-100 bucks, so that's not a good standard to decide by. Heck at that point, your probably going to be donating the system to an eager sibling or cousin because the resale value would be so low.
But that 770 is an awesome value and a pretty big step over the 760 card. Whereas the 780 would only be a babystep up.
Unlike air coolers, water cooling is a very simple system so you don't have wide gaps in performance like you see on air coolers (which are very dependent on heat sink shapes, sizes, tubes, vapor chambers, science, etc). So basically pick your favorite brand with the quietest fans on it. My choice is this little guy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214055
I replaced the case exhaust fan with this radiator and fan in the back of the case.
5 years is a very long time in the pc world. If that's your goal, Id recommend the 780 (3gb) gpu. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130951
And for like $10 more, Id get the 1866 speed ram.
Pumps are virtually silent. Fan noise is the issue.
Actually your wrong on the water cooler. The pumps are silent and your case fans will always be louder. Now the fans can vary depending on the brand, but that's no different than an air cooler. Not sure why you had that misconception the fan noise was louder on a water cooler when they use the exact fans that can be swapped out same as the air coolers. How much they cool can depend on what game your playing too. If your just doing net surfing or some flash game, things run so cool already difference would be negligible.
Water is always far superior to air as cooling. That's a very basic concept in hvac. If water cooling didn't cost more, you would most likely see old school air coolers like the evo 212 vanish like the dinosaurs in everything but net surfer pc's, in my opinion. An example would be jumping in a pool vs standing in front of a fan. The pool will cool you off far faster.
For example take this new gpu water cooler, when OC'd 50c drop in temp. That's huge. "We’ve never seen a 50C load temperature drop by changing the GPU cooler on a video card, so this was very exciting. It also should unlock more overclocking headroom and help prolong the life of your graphics card!"
Read more at http://www.legitreviews.com/nzxt-kraken-g10-gpu-water-cooler-review-on-an-amd-radeon-r9-290x_130344/6#GYk6PiaBdiSTuZRD.99
A factory sealed closed loop will never leak bro. And it's the exact noise lvl as an air cooler because it uses the identical 92 or 120mm fans.
Id say if you need to cut some corners gpu is the last place you should do that. Go down to 8gb ram. I don't believe in cheap psu's, but you could really drop down to a 600watt one. Id add a CM 212 evo cpu fan or H60.
For the money you really cant beat that CM 212 evo. But water coolers do perform better and look nicer. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214055
Any small water cooler will outperform any of these air coolers. Plus they look way better in your case in my opinion. Just swap out the exhaust fan with the radiator. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835214055
P.S. Don't get the poo colored Noctua fans. Ew, just ew.
Agree you cant get a lame 660 card on a $1,000 build. That's a very long in the tooth card. Minimum 760 or a 770 would be even better. That's the number 1 most important component to gaming.
Could go down to a refurb EVGA 780 card. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487014
CPU fan like the Cooler Master 212 evo or a water loop like the Corsair H60.
This is the dumbest, most half baked thing Ive heard in a long time.
A 750 would be fine in certain circles too. Not really a reliable source of info.
Did you say you just play Skyrim? that's one of the more graphical intensive games out there, especially when you start adding mods. This isn't the xbox version of it. 1080p ultra takes some solid hardware and I'd recommend not wasting your time with the 760 on a $1,000 build tbh. And streaming while playing requires even more gpu power.
750 is a very weak card for gaming. Go 750 ti or 760 if u can afford it. Or w/e the AMD versions are. But that 750 is too low end. You spent more on the CPU and your GPU is way more important to gaming.
650 and a 770 gpu
There are some games the 760 wont play in ultra like BF4, let alone games down the road. That 760 is decent for the price, but it is slower than a 670 card according to gpuboss.
Try at get into the $325 range for your gpu (number 1 important component for gaming), which is the 770 or the 280x. Youll get the maximum amount of bang for your buck to nail ultra settings for 1080p gaming.
Looks pretty solid. That case is a great choice because is it will give you the right amount of room without being too big.
No they dropped that named a few months ago, at least on windows 8. It's called Windows Defender.
780ti performs better and runs cooler, but costs more. Pretty much sums up most every class comparison between NVidia and AMD.
I gotta disagree with your assessment of stock coolers. Even at stock speeds, putting in a $30 212 evo cpu fan is a no brainer to me. Keeps it cooler and thus a longer lifespan.
Also, careful of NCIX (on that gpu you picked out) initial pricing. They have very expensive shipping costs on the few times Ive ordered from them.
BF4 and Titanfall are very intensive graphics game (If not the most out there). Definitely get the 770 over the 760 if you can afford the $80-100 more.
Just the rule of thumb, if you think its a great idea but no1 ever does it, it's probably cause its really not a good idea. : (
Yes true you did message me concerning my certain awesome attitude and your opinion on what constitutes an anti-virus. However, you wouldn't have manned up here if I hadn't made the comment.
Jacob ever feel like your head hurts from being wrong so much? Heres the 4th example in this thread alone. Windows 7 supports up to 256-cores, not 4 like you claim. You may need some aspirin. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/system-requirements