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Downsizing from ATX to ITX

TheHaterNaderCrusader
  • 1 month ago

Hi everybody! I'm looking to downsize my ATX desktop into an ITX form factor PC. I am joining the military and would like something on the smaller/slimmer side since space could become an issue. I'm trying to budget based on parts I will need to merge or replace; I have allocated as follows:

$150-180 for a new motherboard $50-60 for a CPU cooler Probably looking at $150-200 for new storage $70-120 for a case $100-120 for a SFX power supply (Maybe some 16gb 3200-3600mhz ram) Edit: US Prices

Here is my current build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/TheHaterNaderCrusader/saved/ZWWcTW

The idea is to keep my current 2700x and 1080 as I feel they are the meat of the build. My main problem where I'm limited is that my 1080 is the Windforce OC version so it won't fit in many standard itx cases. I would prefer to keep it instead of getting it replaced as it's another thing I don't have to worry about in the budget, but if it really becomes an issue, I can try and find a used one that's smaller for around $300 (As a last resort!). Edit: I may get a 1080 mini to replace my current card.

Another idea that I have been flirting with is since a lot of my storage volume is games, I could see which ones I don't play and empty them off the extra drives. I also have a decent volume of documents and game backups that could be moved to an external drive. Thanks!

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  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

What about this? (a HTPC style case may compromise)

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor Purchased For $279.00
CPU Cooler Thermalright AXP-100 Full Copper CPU Cooler $79.98 @ Amazon
Motherboard Asus ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard Purchased For $0.00
Memory GeIL EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory Purchased For $50.00
Storage PNY CS1311 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $60.00
Storage Inland Premium 256 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive Purchased For $30.00
Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $70.00
Storage Toshiba 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For $80.00
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card Purchased For $350.00
Case Silverstone GD09B HTPC Case $93.99 @ B&H
Power Supply Corsair CXM 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply Purchased For $50.00
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-WT 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan Purchased For $14.00
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-WT 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan Purchased For $14.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1170.97
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-26 00:13 EST-0500

But how's this for a serious downsize?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor Purchased For $279.00
CPU Cooler ID-COOLING IS-60 53.6 CFM CPU Cooler $45.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard $159.99 @ Amazon
Memory GeIL EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory Purchased For $50.00
Storage PNY CS1311 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $60.00
Storage Inland Premium 256 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive Purchased For $30.00
Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $70.00
Storage Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive $112.49 @ Amazon
Video Card PNY GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Blower Video Card $524.85 @ Amazon
Case Fractal Design Node 202 HTPC Case $78.98 @ Amazon
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS SGX 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply $126.98 @ Newegg
Case Fan ARCTIC ACFAN00119A 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan $8.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan ARCTIC ACFAN00119A 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan $8.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1556.26
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-26 00:18 EST-0500
  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

I've been looking at an HTPC build for awhile now. I won't be able to fit the ATX size as the desk may be narrow, but the Node 202 has been a case I've been eying. Would you recommend going with a blower card over something such as a Zotac mini?

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

Blower cards will generally be better for those types of cases, as all of the heat will be exhausted out of the case (no hot air is kept inside the case)

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Gotcha. Thanks for your help-especially with the cooler!

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

No problems :)

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

This is the cheapest way to go about it. You could re-use most of your parts if you want to.

New case, motherboard, cooler, and case fan. Total (Not Yet Purchased): $281.52

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor Purchased For $279.00
CPU Cooler Noctua NH-L9x65 SE-AM4 CPU Cooler $49.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard Asus ROG Strix B450-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard $134.99 @ B&H
Memory GeIL EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory Purchased For $50.00
Storage PNY CS1311 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $60.00
Storage Inland Premium 256 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive Purchased For $30.00
Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $70.00
Storage Toshiba 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For $80.00
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card Purchased For $350.00
Case Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case $66.48 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair CXM 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply Purchased For $50.00
Case Fan Noctua NF-F12 industrialPPC-2000 PWM 71.69 CFM 120 mm Fan $25.35 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1245.72
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-26 00:51 EST-0500

If you want to see an alternative build with different variations (new RAM and storage, different case, smaller video card, etc..), just let me know.

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

Given how tight things get in those types of cases, a 120mm AIO might be worth considering as well

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor Purchased For $279.00
CPU Cooler Corsair H75 2018 64 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $74.98 @ Amazon
Motherboard Asus ROG Strix B450-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard $139.79 @ B&H
Memory GeIL EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory Purchased For $50.00
Storage PNY CS1311 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $60.00
Storage Inland Premium 256 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive Purchased For $30.00
Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $70.00
Storage Toshiba 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For $80.00
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card Purchased For $350.00
Case Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case $66.48 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair CXM 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply Purchased For $50.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1250.25
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-26 04:52 EST-0500
  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

I was looking at this as well. I figured I could go with either this case or the Fractal Design Core 500. However I have not had time to compare the sizes. I'm assuming the 120mm aio would go on the front as an intake?

Also, going this route would probably give me the best option and I would be able to throw in some 3200 or 3600 ram as I wouldn't have to compromise too much on the storage. Thanks guys!

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

I'm assuming the 120mm aio would go on the front as an intake?

That's what you'll have to do (not many cases have those options), but you might be able to mount it on the side in the Core 500 (it can support up to 240mm AIO coolers)

However I have not had time to compare the sizes

Core 500 is 250mm x 203mm x 367mm (not sure what that is in imperial)

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/core/core-500/black/

Elite 130 is 240mm x 207.4mm x 399.5mm (or 9.4in x 8.2in x 15.7in)

https://coolermaster.egnyte.com/dl/KyRnrjMmLk/

Also, going this route would probably give me the best option and I would be able to throw in some 3200 or 3600 ram as I wouldn't have to compromise too much on the storage. Thanks guys!

The Core 500 can fit a 240mm AIO, so that looks to be your best route

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor Purchased For $279.00
CPU Cooler ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $85.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard ASRock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard $159.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill Flare X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $73.99 @ Newegg
Storage PNY CS1311 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $60.00
Storage Inland Premium 256 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive Purchased For $30.00
Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $70.00
Storage Toshiba 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For $80.00
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card Purchased For $350.00
Case Fractal Design Core 500 Mini ITX Desktop Case $59.50 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair CXM 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply Purchased For $50.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1298.47
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-26 17:07 EST-0500
  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

I appreciate it! I had also thought about having one or two intake fans on top of the case and then exhausting it out of the back in the Core 500. I am not experienced with AIOs or Watercooling but I suppose that the aio could also exhaust out of the top and have the rear act as the intake. I also like how both cases can accommodate at least one 3.5in drive which would solve a lot of my problems with storage.

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

had also thought about having one or two intake fans on top of the case and then exhausting it out of the back in the Core 500

It'd be better if you had the AIO as top intake, and also have some fans as intake. (a well-known user called "gorkti200" has made this build which you might want to use for some inspiration.)

He might give you some advice, if you DM him.

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

Another option. You could re-use your Fractal Design GP14-WT 68.4 CFM 140mm Fans for top intake, and get a low profile air cooler (actual case clearance is 170mm, but it needs to be under under 145mm so it won't touch the top fans as they are 25mm thick), instead of the AIO.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor Purchased For $279.00
CPU Cooler Scythe Choten TUF Gaming Alliance 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler $49.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard $159.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill Flare X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $73.99 @ Newegg
Storage PNY CS1311 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $60.00
Storage Inland Premium 256 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive Purchased For $30.00
Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $70.00
Storage Toshiba 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For $80.00
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card Purchased For $350.00
Case Fractal Design Core 500 Mini ITX Desktop Case $59.50 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair CXM 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply Purchased For $50.00
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-WT 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan Purchased For $14.00
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-WT 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan Purchased For $14.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1290.47
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-26 22:50 EST-0500
  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

The NZXT H1 might be worth checking out. The price is pretty steep at $350 but it includes the case, 140mm AiO, 650w Gold rated SFX PSU and a GPU riser. From what I've seen it's practically easier to build in than a regular ATX case, and it's the size of a Corsair One.

It supports GPUs up to 2.5 slots and 12" in length. I think (based on what I saw on amazon) your GPU will fit in there.

Such a build might look something like this: PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
Motherboard Asus ROG Strix B450-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard $139.79 @ B&H
Storage HP EX920 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $129.94 @ Amazon
Custom NZXT H1 ITX Case - White $349.99
Custom Ryzen 7 2700x Purchased For $0.00
Custom Gigabyte GTX 1080 Windforce Purchased For $0.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $619.72
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-26 10:11 EST-0500

It's right in the price ranges you said you wanted it to be as well. Hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions!

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

I just saw this on another forum post. I would have to see how much I would need to rework my storage before I could think about it but I do like the airflow and size that the case offers. Thanks for sharing!

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

No problem - if I'm not mistaken the H1 has no internal 3.5" bays, so HDDs are out of the question unless they're external.

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

That's exactly what I was thinking about doing for files I only use a few times a year (Or backups). It just depends on what I'm able to free up.

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

This is an alternative way , of course i respect your need in ITX form factor , but i had to inform you first , in order to avoid further mess =

This way , is to keep (almost) all of your existing parts,and i chose an ATX mini tower Case such as the Riotoro CR1088 , which is not as PCPP refer as ATX Mid Tower Case , it is really small in dimensions , and it can carry easily a GPU untill 290mm length (yours is 280mm) , a CPU Air Cooler untill 135mm height,according to the Riotoro CR1088 official Manual -PCPP again is wrong informed on the matter it is not 122mm max height allowance - that was the reason for choosing a better Cooler such as the be quiet! Dark Rock TF 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ,which is 130.8mm in height.

Also,i changed your fans , with 2 LEPA Casino 4C 63.91 CFM 120 mm Fan , can be applied in front, they perform similar to your previous fans,transparent-led ones,and affordable in price .

Have a better look at the official Manual = https://s3.amazonaws.com/riotoro-live/downloads/8e89c687-3d64-4c8a-a60c-fd67b22f3fd3.pdf

Also ,to a renewed version of your existing PC Build = https://pcpartpicker.com/user/WEBMASTERS-TEAM/saved/#view=Gb8ZZL

Now , if you insist in ITX option , i will try to do my best , even though i consider it was already minimised the Total Size ...

What do you think ?

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

I like the use of the space! I had pondered going mATX for a bit but I did not like the board selections and it didn't downsize a whole lot. My only complaints have to be that the dual chamber design only allows for a 80mm fan exhaust.

That being said, I could do something similar to this build https://pcpartpicker.com/b/dsw6Mp where I put in a 240 rad and other fans surrounding. I was worried of GPU clearance with a radiator but his 2070 seems to be about 6mm longer than my current 1080. I still haven't decided but this was a really cool thing to bring up. Thanks!

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

look better at this photo , downside is a 120mm AIO cooler ... = https://s3.amazonaws.com/riotoro-live/documents/35fb84f1-1a0c-49c7-8181-a5b0b64a941b.png

i already thought about that , and i did not wanted to mess it up ,anyway it is supposed that the be quiet cooler is a quality one,220 Watt TDP is not scrappy performance,it is silent and powerful enough and fitting ok and not messing up with GPU clearances, now this guy in that Build how does he succeeded in fitting a longer GPU still makes me wonder , because the AIO coolers usually have 30mm width,so you must add Length of GPU + Width of 240mm Cooler,the cooler fans can also be applied anyway between front mesh and front side of Caging ...

Do you understand now , why i did not chose an AIO cooler ? ... do not worry , i liked your idea also ...

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

Yes, I like air cooling because fans themselves are a simple and great solution, I think it's just a matter of getting used to the cases thermals. Probably putting 4 fans in (2 in front and 2 at bottom) and a rear 80mm fan would be enough. I think the hardest thing is seeing how the thermals would react with the GPU on top. Still intriguing but not impossible!

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

As i already realised , your Motherboard has a sturdy backplate,so i consider that you will not have any problem ,if you decide to go with the Be Quiet cooler , its weight will not create any kind of "sagging" or Motherboard curving ...

Of course , this does not mean that you can treat the Case - when carried - as a coffee shaker , because i do not even dare imagine the possibility of taking it with you in "special missions" ... of course ,i said that , just to have an idea about PC Build strength, it is not so lightweight the Air Cooler , it is near 810 grams.

Some people , in order to better avoid such problems , usually buy for GPUs a solution like this = https://www.amazon.com/EZDIY-FAB-Colorful-Graphics-Support-Bracket/dp/B07XFS825P/ref=sr_1_4?crid=36U9CV095QGKW&keywords=gpu+brackets&qid=1582846372&s=electronics&sprefix=gpu+brackets%2Celectronics%2C266&sr=1-4

And for CPU air coolers , i heard some people that they used in normal Case Towers a fishing transparent line , that was barely visible , but this solution is meant to better assist cpu air coolers ,and it was meant to "hang" it and being bound on the internal top of Case. But i consider it good, only in occasions that the Case will be in place for a long period .

A close friend of mine , which is also a good PC modder , he made for someone who travelled a lot , a patent similar to this = https://www.newtower.com.au/wp-content/uploads//Top-Roller-Brackets-for-Sliding-Gates.jpg

He surrounded a Grand Macho cooler with similar brackets like those with some bolts and nuts (small ones), and at the end of one of them added additional brackets similar to these = https://static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/16ER20_AS01?$mdmain$

and secured them on the internal top of Case with other small bolts and nuts.

I do not remember the exact brackets he used , but i also remember he added between brackets and Air cooler ,thin cutted pieces of teflon plate, to decrease vibrations when travel,and not damaging the fin areas . Looked like this = https://image.made-in-china.com/202f0j00uYgGeRTHmSkf/White-Teflon-Panels-0-8mm-Thin-Rigid-PTFE-Panels-Plate-Sheet.jpg

That patent costed him round 9.5 in dollars.

Of course ,your motherboard is applied upside down, so you may think a similar solution , you can experiment a little if you want ...

It is not necessary , but it is a safety precaution ... travelling , also has its pros and cons ...

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

Of course , there is a good possibility , if a PCPP member ,has a shorter in length GTX 1080 , and it is not too far away from you , preferably into USA , to exchange GPU with yours , but this option has many pros and cons , both "sides" must give assurements for quality ,real photos , names addresses , and someone as a common trusted observator to watch the whole procedures and actions , to guarantee the appropriate exchange and consistency of products and the persons ...

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

I have thought about it all. I could buy another 1080 or ti and try and recoup some of my losses by selling my own card. It just depends on how the market is.

One plus of sticking with a majority of my ATX parts is that I can use some of the budget toward getting a new card. It's just a matter of making sure they are of good quality and will last. I bought my current 1080 a year ago from across the country from a PC builder who said it just collected dust. Most the ones that I have seen recently have all been used for mining and refurbished.

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