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I returned all the AMD hardware. Don't make the mistake I did, stick with **** that works for your usage instead of trying something new.

The salt from people who know literally nothing about audio production is honestly hilarious. Keep it coming. Just don't get yourself banned when I give you information you don't like lol.

To elaborate more, I wasn't getting the low latency audio performance I desired. I built this based on early DAWBench tests thinking this would be a great replacement for my Threadripper build(which I'm back to using until I rebuild it, likely with a Cascade Lake-X processor), but my plugins and VI's don't play well with AMD's new design. With the amount of money I spent I was hoping to be able to run a buffer size of 64 or less. That wasn't happening. Audio dropouts, pops, clicks. Boost clocks were unsatisfactory and I couldn't get an all core OC any higher than 4.1GHz. It just wasn't for me or my usage, so I returned the board and processor. Not to mention the rest of the problems I ran into during the week or so I gave it an honest trial period(BSODs, lockups, crashes, even at stock settings prior to attempting to overclock).

As far as the second usage, VR, the 5700 series had early driver issues. It may have been fixed by now, but I didn't build a new PC just to sit around and hope for a driver update to fix issues. I don't like spending thousands of dollars just to have things not work properly. I tried 2 different 5700s(reference and the Pulse), returned both. Ended up sticking a 2060 Super in another build I brought back from the dead.

Downvote my comments, I don't care lol. It's not going to change the experiences I had.

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Don't buy if you play VR. There are driver issues with Navi that cause black flashing screens in VR if certain conditions are met(one being simply having a custom fan profile). I've tested multiple RX 5700s on multiple systems, with 2 different VR headsets, it's the drivers.

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  • 5 months ago
  • 2 points

>Dare to criticize any of mommy Su's products

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  • 9 months ago
  • 1 point

Very nice. I am about to build my first pc with the same CPU/board. What kind of desk is that?

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

How is it the board partner's fault for bad AMD drivers? You've rated the Sapphire Pulse for a bad experience that they didn't have anything to do with

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

Dunno why you returned the 3900X but whatevs. Good luck with your new hardware

  • 7 months ago
  • 1 point

Because it wasn't giving me the low latency audio performance I desired. This wasn't a gaming PC, that part was just a bonus. Now I run an HEDT for audio and a rebuilt gaming PC(with a new GPU) for gaming/VR. Technically, 2 for VR, because we have VR in 2 rooms so my husband and I can play together.

  • 8 months ago
  • 1 point

With the fans installed on the ninja 5, did they clear the ram you used? (specifically, when the top of the fan is flush with the top of the heat pipes, did the fans still clear the ram?)

  • 7 months ago
  • 1 point

Yup! They could have even been placed higher if need be. It's a pretty awesome cooler. Stupid quiet too thanks to the fans only spinning up to ~800RPM.

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks for sharing your experience. Has me a tad daunted to proceed with my 3900X build for audio production. Big difference I guess is that I'm 95% mixing at 512 and 5% tracking at 64, and I'm not going to be doing anything else with it (gaming, etc.). I am finding a lot of people online singing the praises of new gen AMD Ryzen specs for DAW centric systems, but not a lot of people who have actually built one and are using it for that purpose.

I am curious, if you don't mind sharing further, what DAW are you using?

  • 6 months ago
  • 2 points

I use Cubase 10 Pro. I use a lot of CPU heavy VIs at fairly low buffers and also track live instruments(guitars and bass), so for me Ryzen just can't keep up. If you're doing mostly mixing and running a 512+ buffer anyway the CPU will probably be an absolute monster for you. When you're tracking, if you don't also have a bunch of VIs and other CPU heavy stuff going on you will probably be fine as well. Between a fairly CPU heavy drum kit, big orchestral libraries, synths, it was all just to much, even at a 256 buffer. Couldn't even get 512 to be 100% artifact free but there was added latency. My workload needs faster cores unfortunately. I'm really hoping Intel gets smart and drops Cascade Lake X pricing considering the 3950X stomps the whole lineup in most things.

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. My workflow is pretty modularized in that way. If I'm mixing it's a lot of CPU heavy Acustica Audio plugs at 512, and if I'm tracking it's a pretty much an empty project (plugin-wise) at 32. (All in Reaper.)

In theory I should be fine with a 3900X system, but my Spidey-sense is telling me to go i9 9900k instead. Something's just not letting me pull the trigger on the AMD system.

Coming from the MAC world back to PC after nearly 20 years I'm also curious how much the interface/driver combo plays into these issues in the Windows audio world. (For that matter it looks like I should be pairing whatever I build with an RME interface . . . based on what I've been reading.)

. . . but I digress. Thanks again for sharing your experience.

  • 6 months ago
  • 1 point

With your specific workflow you'd probably be fine with a 3900X, at a 512 buffer there's way more headroom than the 9900K. Drop it to 64 and that changes, but since you're not doing any tracking while having CPU heavy VIs, a blank project will leave almost all of the CPU resources to tracking. If you're not tracking with something like an amp sim running, even better.

  • 4 months ago
  • 1 point

By the way, I think you made some really poor decisions. The RX 5700 is clearly not made for 3000$ SET-UP. I mean I also have that exact card on my 1500$ set up (peripherals included)

  • 3 months ago
  • 0 points

I don't think you understand what this setup was for lol.

Maybe read next time.

  • 3 months ago
  • 0 points

The GPU tier I purchased was what was needed for my gaming usage. The rest of the system was centered around AUDIO PRODUCTION. That means, tons of SATA SSDs a few NVMe drives and a high core count CPU. $700 alone is from SSDs(some of which were purchased years ago at higher prices).

Don't know why a bunch of teenagers with gaming PCs insist on telling me how to build an AUDIO rig. Anything higher than a 2070 for my usage is a waste of money.

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  • 7 months ago
  • 0 points

Because it didn't give me the performance I wanted or needed. So no, it didn't "work", not how I needed it to.

This wasn't a gaming PC, it was an audio production PC. They have different requirements and utilize hardware in different ways. Being able to play VR on it was a bonus, but in the end having a dedicated PC for each task was a much more effective solution.

Sorry for choosing hardware that benefits my use case scenario. I work overtime a lot, so I buy the things I want that give me the performance I need. Try it some time. Or keep being broke and envious, your call.

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  • 7 months ago
  • 2 points

Not for audio lol. A 3600 can't handle my projects. I need performance. Period.

I'm not spending $400 on a GPU to not be able to use it. That's ******* stupid. I'm also not spending $400 on a VR headset to not be able to use it. Again, that's ******* stupid.

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  • 7 months ago
  • 0 points

False. 5700s run at near peak performance out of the box, which is cool. My 2060 Super, on the other hand, can be overclocked a decent amount(to basically match a 5700XT). I also got 2 free games with it compared to a few months of Xbox Game Pass that the 5700s came with. Hardware Unboxed did a massive 41 game benchmark and found that at stock speeds, the 2060 Super outperforms the 5700. That's stock. I don't run my **** stock lol.

Come back when you've tested even half as much hardware as me and understand my use case scenario. Or I guess you can stalk me some more like a creeper, I don't care lol.

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  • 7 months ago
  • 0 points

You literally know nothing about audio production. I've done thousands of hours of research and testing. Also, I had an X570 board, can you not read? It's in the parts list and the pictures lol.

Nobody here is mad, you're just ignorant lol. You can't even read a parts list and you know absolutely nothing about my use case scenario, the requirements, or how various hardware performs. Audio production isn't gaming. It isn't video editing. It isn't like any other type of productivity work. The chip design itself is the reason Ryzen doesn't get the same low latency audio performance as Intel.

Also I DID buy 5700's, 2 of them, and I returned both of them. If it makes you feel any better, I returned a 2060 Super too lol. Stuck with my reference card and returned the EVGA XC Ultra.

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