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Blood Over the Horyzen (My First Build)

by BBearPvP

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Details

Date Published

April 10, 2017

Date Built

April 7, 2017

CPU Clock Rate

3.8GHz

CPU Temperature While Idle

37.0° C

CPU Temperature Under Load

67.0° C

GPU Core Clock Rate

2.02GHz

GPU Effective Memory Clock Rate

10.2GHz

GPU Temperature While Idle

42.0° C

GPU Temperature Under Load

72.0° C

Description

Benchmarks

(All tests conducted @ 3.8 GHz @ 1.375v with load temps of 64°C)

Cinebench R15 CPU Test: 1678 cb
Cinebench R15 OpenGL Test: 110.87 fps

Old CPU-Z Single Thread Test: 2256
Old CPU-Z Multi Thead Test: 20053

New CPU-Z Single Thread Test: 451
New CPU-Z Multi Thread Test: 4803

Death to the Pre-Built PC!

Around last year, I bought an ASUS ROG G20 because I barely knew about computers. The little PC had a GTX 970 and an i7 6700. Not bad. However, after overclocking the 970 to around 1,600 MHz (which was stable for months, by the way), the power brick that powered the little PC just couldn't handle it after awhile and went on a suicide-homicide mission and took the motherboard's life away. Since this February, I haven't had a gaming computer. To solve that, I saved up about $1,000 to rebuild the computer, making it even better.

Parts

I bought the Ryzen 7 1700 because I'm a content creator. I make little YouTube videos and I needed something powerful enough to render stuff pretty swiftly. This processor makes a great job of that. For the RAM I'm using a 2x8 GB kit of G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4-2800 silver RAM. Looks neat in here. For the storage, I pulled the 2 TB hard drive out of my old PC that died and bought a 240 GB SSD from Best Buy for $45 on clearance. I got lucky. For the graphics card, I wanted to go all-AMD, so I got a Sapphire NITRO RX 480 with 4 GB of GDDR5 memory. And before you ask: yes, 4 GB is enough for me. I sold my RX 480 on eBay for nearly $500 due to the shortage and bought a Gigabyte D5X GTX 1080 with that money. It's not the best overclocker, but I was able to get it to hit 2 GHz stable, with load temps of just 72 degrees C. For the motherboard, I picked MSI'S Pro Gaming Carbon because it was a nicely priced X370 board with a clean appearance and for no other reason. For the power supply, I got the Rosewill PHOTON-750. 750 watts of modular goodness for $75. I love it. And to keep all the stuff together and looking nice, I used DIYPC's IllusionII-BR case. I really feel like I robbed those guys; this is such a beautiful case. Cable management was so easy that I didn't even need cable ties using the stock cables from Rosewill (which are honestly horrible).

Peripherals

Me being the Razer fanboy that I am, I got all-Razer. Naga Epic Chroma, BlackWidow X TE Chroma, Firefly, and Man O' War. I would've switched things up if it wouldn't have destroyed the whole chroma ecosystem thing that Razer has going.
If you need headphones that sound amazing for cheap, get the Status CB-1s. These things sound better than Beats Studio 2s and they're like half the price (unless you like bass; these things are studio monitors so their response line is pretty flat).
I also have the BlackWeb Gunner PC speaker system because these speakers sound pretty good for the price. But, I'm almost positive that this product was discontinued. After looking for so long, I just can't find it anywhere besides eBay.
I also have 3TB of external storage from Toshiba. I don't like the product itself, but it's honestly good enough. I only use it for backups & such. I don't really need it for anything else.
And finally, for audio recording, I have the Blue Yeti microphone. I love this thing. It sounds so nice. :)

Monitors & Setup

I'm not some super hardcore eSports gamer, so I just stick with the basic 1080p display with the 60 Hz refresh rate. I like the idea of getting a decent 1440p monitor at around 100Hz, but I just really don't want to switch to it, because I probably won't want to switch back. I like to think of it like smoking cigarettes. You're fine without them for so long, but once you use them once, you just can't go back.
Anyways, with decent viewing angles and absolutely NO backlight bleed, I love these AOC monitors. The color gamut isn't the best, but I'm not an artist, so I could care less. I haven't even messed with color settings because I personally think the monitors are fine. I'm really not picky.
For my desk, I'm using some $80 desk I picked up from my local Walmart for around $110. It's actually pretty nice and I've had it for over a year now. It gets the job done and holds my stuff just fine. It really does look good too.

During Building

Surprisingly enough, I had barely any issues with installing anything for the first time. I knew that cable management was a must, so I did my best. The cables are tucked (not-so) neatly in the back, and I made sure that cables in the front were exposed as least as possible. I finally installed my CPU & GPU and got to work. The BIOS was pretty straight forward, but it didn't seem to like my RAM very much; it's clocked at 1,067 MHz. I might need to get a new kit that's confirmed to be compatible with this motherboard. I'll probably swallow my pride and buy a 3,200 MHz kit. The only issues I ever ran into were when the operating system was first installed. The disk I was given had Windows 10 on it, but it was a version of Windows from mid-2016, so Ryzen couldn't communicate with its' cores properly, so the OS would crash due to a "CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT" error. After disabling 6 cores and 12 threads, operating the equivalent of an i3, I was finally able to install Windows updates. I was very happy when I was able to enable all 8 cores & 16 threads and not have the system crash every 5 minutes. Now it doesn't crash at all.

After Building

I got the exact look I was looking for. This red-themed build looks amazing in my room. I get around 120-200 FPS in Overwatch, and nearly 1,000 in Minecraft. Since my phone's broken, I can't log into Steam until I get my phone fixed, so I can't test CS:GO or GTA V, but I'll do that soon. To my surprise, I was able to successfully overclock this processor to 4 GHz 3.9 GHz and it was actually stable! However, the temperatures were stupid high. I'm so uncomfortable having my processor run close to 90 °C, so I just clocked it to a more reasonable speed (3.7 GHz) which brought the temperature down to around 77 °C at load, which was good enough for me. It's very capable at running at 4 GHz (if I upped the voltage to around 1.48-1.5v), but I currently don't have the adequate cooling. There's definitely some things to improve on.
I actually have a list of to-dos since this is going to be my main system:

  • Improve cable management outside of the case. Done.
  • Improve cable management inside of the case. Done.
  • Either get a second RX 480, or return the current one and buy an AMD Vega GPU. Sold the RX 480 in the great mining shortage and bought a GTX 1080.
  • Get access back to my Steam account. Done.
  • Fix RAM frequencies. Done; clocked my RAM at 2,933 MHz.
  • Upgrade to 32 GB of RAM (definitely not a high priority right now).
  • Get this system a better cooler. The be quiet! Dark Rock 3 was a much needed upgrade.
  • When system is cooled better, keep the CPU clocked at 4 GHz. Not doing it; anything over 1.45v is a bad idea for constant use. 85 °C is cool enough so the CPU will always be clocked at 3.9 GHz @ 1.45 volts.

Part Reviews

CPU

As a person who plays games and does video rendering quite often for parties, social events, and YouTube videos, I am absolutely astounded with AMD's Ryzen 7 1700.
After overclocking this chip on the stock Wraith Spire cooler to 3.9 GHz at just 1.3875 volts, it's performance is ridiculously good. A Cinebench score of 1638 and amazing real-world performance in games really does show how good this chip runs. It was a huge jump compared to my i7 6700 (non-K).
Reiterating the overclocking ability of this chip, I personally would not recommend buying the 1700X unless you're an avid overclocker, and I'd avoid the 1800X altogether, as the 1700X & 1800X are practically the exact same chips.
However, as much as I'd love to give this chip 5 stars, the optimization in most programs is just unacceptable. If I could, I'd actually give it more like a 19/20 because I really just couldn't give this chip a perfect score, but I don't want to give it below an 80% either. Anyhow, I digress; while I render videos in programs like Camtasia Studio, the CPU is only utilized about 25-60% at any given time. The render times, although better than my previous i7 processor, are still pretty underwhelming to me. Since I have paired this processor with 2933 MHz DDR4 RAM and an RX 480, I haven't noticed underwhelming gaming performance,

TL;DR:
This is an amazing chip for the price if you know your stuff when it comes to overclocking. Performance is overall fantastic, with a few optimization problems in a few applications that will most likely be fixed over time. I highly recommend this chip for enthusiasts and creative professionals alike.

Motherboard

As this was my first motherboard I ever used in a build, I was impressed by this one. The LED effects are fantastic, the build quality is nice, and the armor + matte black finish really gives this motherboard a nice appearance.
For a beginner, I was glad to see an EZ Debug LED system implemented in this board. Sometimes a continuous beep happened when the computer didn't POST among the debug LEDS, and sometimes only the debug LEDs lit up. Odd. The software is pretty good and does what it's supposed to do, and I love the LED effects it has. Overclocking is great with this motherboard as well; I was able to overclock my RAM (rated at 2800 MHz) to 2933 MHz at 1.32 volts (still tweaking with it though) and my Ryzen 7 1700 to 3.9 GHz @ 1.3875 volts with no issues.
However, when turning the system on, I notice that the debug LEDs will light up in the processor & RAM area before finally booting up the system and passing the POST. On top of that, POST times are honestly horrible; it takes a good 15-20 seconds before the PC passes the POST. With all of that being said, I had to take off a star.

TL;DR:
If you want fast boot times, this is not the motherboard for you. If you want a decently priced X370 motherboard with a great overclocking support, user friendly POST debug & UEFI/BIOS, then this is the motherboard for you.

Memory

Next time I build a PC, I think I'm going to stay away from DDR4-2800 for simplicity's sake.

Most motherboards don't exactly have a 2800 MHz option for RAM, so you either have to underclock or overclock the RAM slightly, which could be an issue for some that just want their RAM to work. However, I was able to clock my kit to 2,933 MHz at 1.32 volts with no problems. I love the appearance of these heat spreaders and the RAM has fantastic performance. Will buy another kit soon & still recommend this kit anyhow.

Storage

The speeds are alright; I use this drive for loading games & programs quicker and only that since it's too small and my computer won't boot fast regardless thanks to my motherboard. The speeds could certainly be faster, and the pricing could certainly be better (I bought mine under $50), but this is still a good drive. However, you could pick up something much better for the price.

Storage

Although I got this drive for free (which I actually use as my boot drive), this drive is still amazingly priced for it's performance. It has sequential read/write speeds that are quite impressive for such a cheap drive. Keeping this thing optimized and defragmented could prove to make a decent boot drive performance on a budget.

Power Supply

For the price, this power supply is probably one of the best. 750 watts of 80+ gold certified power delivery with a price of under $80? I'm sold. Although the stock cables are admittedly terrible, who actually uses stock cables when buying modular power supplies? Usually the point of modular power supplies are to get your own custom cables. No star reduction. 5/5 recommend this to any builders out there that need this much power.

Wireless Network Adapter

It's a cheap wireless adapter. Don't use it if your internet has speeds higher than 150 Mbps. Anything less, and this should suffice just fine. 5/5 recommend.

Monitor

If you're an artist or a super competitive gamer that needs excellent color gamut coverage or high refresh rates, this monitor will disappoint you. However, if you need a nice 1080p monitor with decent color, decent refresh rate, no backlight bleed, and in a decent size, I recommend it.
As a happy gamer that doesn't want to get submerged into 1440p/4k monitors at high refresh rates (because I know I won't want to come back to 60 Hz/1080p if I try it), I'm more than happy with this monitor.

Keyboard

With my desk having little keyboard space, this keyboard is awesome. It has an aluminum body, amazing RGBs, can be easily cleaned, and it's relatively cheap for a name-brand keyboard. Razer is practically the king of RGB effects and this keyboard definitely shows it with how smooth the RGB effects appear. The key switches are nice & clicky and remind me of a hybrid between Cherry MX Red & Blue switches. Overall great keyboard for the price. 5/5 recommend.

Comments Sorted by:

The0Burger0King 1 Build 2 points 7 months ago

You should be able to get an aftermarket air cooler or save up for a 240mm radiator and push it back to 4ghz. That's a nice looking build by the way! I love the fans you went with.

BBearPvP submitter 1 Build 2 points 7 months ago

Thank you! I plan to get an AIO liquid cooler at some point when I save up. The stock cooler suits the needs pretty well for now, though. :)

fletcherhub3 1 Build 1 point 7 months ago

That case and the setup is great! The case would be complete with a LED strip in my opinion.

BBearPvP submitter 1 Build 2 points 7 months ago

I didn't even think of that. You just gave me a nice idea! :)

Sockens 1 point 7 months ago

A 1700 at 4Ghz on a stock cooler.

Now imagine with an X62, or a closed loop...

BBearPvP submitter 1 Build 1 point 7 months ago

Oh I'm sure I could hit around 4.2 GHz if I got an AIO liquid cooler. I might give it a try soon. ;)

Sockens 1 point 7 months ago

Feel the power...

randomguy99 1 Build 1 point 7 months ago

Doesn't ryzen have an issue where it reports CPU temps that are 20 degrees higher than the real temps?

BBearPvP submitter 1 Build 1 point 7 months ago

I used AIDA64 to report the temps; not the AMD Master Program thing. It reports the temps 20 degrees lower I thought?

saq1610 1 point 7 months ago

How are the POST times on your board? I've heard its pretty slow to post. +1 for that awesome build, Ryzen will keep you happy!

BBearPvP submitter 1 Build 1 point 7 months ago

Yes, the POST times are honestly horrible. So far, the longest measured POST I got from this motherboard was 18 seconds, and the shortest one was 2 seconds. I started measuring them after I realized how long it took. It usually takes around 3-5 seconds to POST when no major changes are made, but if you make any voltage or clock changes, the POST can probably take as long as 20 seconds. :/

At one point, before I installed Windows updates, the board would make a static beep noise that wouldn't stop (and wouldn't attempt to POST) until I pressed the reset button. The issue hasn't persisted since, but the length still persists.

Basically, if you're looking for amazing POST times, this is definitely not the right board. I personally don't really care since I rarely shut down my system, but I know that some people can really care about it.

Abdallh 1 point 7 months ago

Which one is better for gaming status cb1 or razer by the way you have freaking amazing build

BBearPvP submitter 1 Build 1 point 7 months ago

For gaming? Depends on a few things. If you have Razer peripherals and you're deep in the Razer ecosystem like I am and have the money for it, get the Razer Man O' War. If you're an average gamer and want to save a hundred dollars or so, get the Status CB-1s. They sound just as good, although the bass isn't as present. So if you're a fan of heavy bass, get away from the CB-1s and get the Razers.

Little suggestion just in case: if you're thinking about the CB-1s, go on thestatusaudio.com and when you're in checkout, type in "STATUS20" for 20% off the order. It brings the headphones down from like $80 to $65.

And thank you for the compliment. As a first time builder, I really appreciate it! :)

Abdallh 1 point 7 months ago

Thank you very much for your time. Do you any recommendations for headphone which cost less than 100$as fps gamer i'd like to have better sound on the highs. Iam careless about the bass because ihave headphone which can cover the bass very well

BBearPvP submitter 1 Build 2 points 7 months ago

I'd recommend four headphones in that price range: The Status Audio CB-1s, the Status Audio OB-1s, the Sennheiser HD 200s, and the Audio-Technica ATH-M30xs. All of them are around the same price. The HD 200s don't have the best build quality and, like the OB-1s, can't be folded up like other headphones. The CB-1s and ATH-M30xs are foldable but their surround sound aren't as pronounced as the OB-1s and their details on the highs aren't as pronounced as the HD 200s.

If you want a name brand and won't take them anywhere, go with the Sennheiser HD 200s.

If you want a name brand and portability, go with the Audio-Technica ATH-M30xs.

If you want good sound quality, no noise leak and portability, go with the Status Audio CB-1s.

If you want good sound quality, don't care about sound leak, and want the best surround sound & gaming experience, go with the Status Audio OB-1s.

If you pick either of the Status Audio headphones, remember the STATUS20 promo code to save 20% off. It brings the headphones to under $70 even with shipping charges included.

Abdallh 1 point 7 months ago

Thank you for your time again. Did you a chance to try Audio-technica ath-ad 700x

BBearPvP submitter 1 Build 1 point 7 months ago

I have not. They do look pretty promising, though. I might have to pick up a pair. :)

Ordinarily_great 1 point 6 months ago

How's that MSI Motherboard? Endurance? I want to buy it for my Ryzen And thanks for telling us that 3.9GHz is stable!

BBearPvP submitter 1 Build 2 points 6 months ago

I'm pretty happy with it overall. The only thing that sucks is that it takes quite a while for it to post, so boot times aren't the best. Otherwise, I'd gladly recommend this motherboard to anyone wanting to use the X370 chipset on a budget. LEDs are great, endurance is great, UEFI is user friendly and easy to use, and it looks incredible.

Also, no problem about the overclocking stability. Just be weary. Some Ryzen 7 1700s aren't as good of overclockers as mine is, from what I've read. I apparently got lucky. If you're an overclocker, I'd recommend getting the 1700X instead for like...$40 more?. It's definitely worth it if you want to guarantee that 3.9-4.0 GHz clockspeed.

skyrise 1 point 1 month ago

The Ryzen R5 1700 CPUs should be at 3.75GHz (max) and 75°C (max) for continuous operation.

At 3.9GHz, 1.45V and 85°C you're just destroying it.

Just clock it to 3.75GHz, 1.375V and you should be fine. Nice build overall.

BBearPvP submitter 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Haha yeah. Believe me, after like a week of making this page, I did research and realized what i was doing. I haven't updated this page in awhile because I plan to make a new one.

I actually have my CPU overclocked to 3.8 GHz, at 1.3625 volts, and since I have the be quiet! Dark Rock 3, it's at around 65 degrees C and 70 degrees C under synthetic load. Sometimes higher on a hot day.

Thanks for the concern & compliment, though! I'm glad you liked the build! :D

skyrise 1 point 1 month ago

Actually 3.70GHz, and less then 1.35V is the ideal for the R7 1700.

And 70°C is the ideal temp for all Ryzen CPUs, despite the announced absurd maximum of 95°C.

At my country it gets up to 34°C in the summer and that means only 36°C temperature delta until 70°C, so cooling and voltage are very important to me. :D

Zer0_302 1 point 1 month ago

hey man, help me, help me!!!!

i got the same RAM but i cant get more than 2133 MHz, what latencies do you have for 2933 MHz???

BBearPvP submitter 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

I found that lowering the latency was better than raising the clockspeed after 2666. Now my RAM's clocked at 2666 MHz w/ the CL at 14. Voltage is at 1.32v.

Zer0_302 1 point 1 month ago

could you tell me what are the full latency numbers did you use, for example , im trying 2666 MHz at 15 16 16 35 at 1.35v and dont post.

BBearPvP submitter 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Try updating your BIOS. My numbers are 2666 14 16 16 36 and it works perfectly fine. If it's up to date, you might've just gotten unlucky?

Zer0_302 1 point 22 days ago

thank you, i got the most recently bios 9a. I put 14 16 16 36 and works fine. I was trying with 15 16 16 35, so thank you very much.

Ghost2206 1 point 22 days ago

Some reviews online say that this case overheats too easily. Whats your opinion? I am thinking of getting this case. Is it possible to put the front fans on the inside of the case instead of being right up next to the glass?

BBearPvP submitter 1 Build 1 point 22 days ago

I'll be honest with you: I haven't tried moving the fans to the inside of the case.

I would agree that this case does overheat easily with the stock fans though. They were pretty rubbish. I've upgraded to NZXT Aer fans, and ever since then I haven't experienced thermal issues. It's also worth noting that the back of the top of the case also gets pretty hot since there's no ventilation there (and my CPU cooler happens to blow in that direction) so, yeah.

The only reason I went with this case was because it was pretty much the only cheap and pretty tempered glass case on the market in April. Now that it's October, things have changed. There's the Cooler Master MasterBox Lite series, the Fractal Design cases, the Phanteks cases. Even NZXT made their Elite line of cases with tempered glass and they look excellent.

With all that being said, I really can't recommend this case with the other options out there. Once I get everything else upgraded, I actually plan to switch cases. :/

Ghost2206 1 point 8 days ago

Thank you for the response!