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A 14 year old's first PC :)
by rishabhchugh13
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EDIT 2 I bought another case fan, the noctua nf-a14. I have moved the stock intake down to the bottom of the intake fan mount and put the noctua fan as the top of the front intake. This reduced temps quite a bit. My ssd and hdd are between 22 and 26 degrees C and the CPU is only about 27 at idle now.

EDIT I have installed Open Hardware Monitor and I have added a screenshot of the temps. The CPU is idling at 30 C which I think is about normal. I'm not sure what the MoBo temp. sensor was on about when it was saying 46 C.

Hi

This is my first ever PC that I've actually owned and I'm extremely satisfied with it. I've been researching for months and have managed to get a vast amount of knowledge. Many thanks to everyone in the forums who have helped me tremendously.

There are many reasons I wanted to build a PC:- I'm a tech enthusiast, the old family laptop is AWFUL and the last desktop my family has owned has 256mb of RAM. Yeah ... I'm surprised it still works tbh. Also, I'm starting my IT & Computing GCSE course next year so I could really do with a better PC. After a lot of pleading, I managed to get a yes from my dad. The original budget was around £350 but it increased to about £500 by the end.

Uses: It's mainly for general internet surfing, word processing etc. but I will be doing some basic image and video editing as part of my GCSE course, not enough though to justify spending an extra £80 on an i7. Also, my ps3 has started to occasionally fail on me (freezes mid-game) so this build is nicely set up to add a discreet GPU and then start gaming on it. I will wait till Christmas to do so though as by then I will have got some birthday and Christmas money.

CPU: I was originally going to buy the i5-4440, when someone recommended the i5-4570 if I plan on gaming in the future. In England, the 4570 is actually £2 more expensive than the 4590 so i just went for this one. Saw no reason to get the 4690 as going from the 4440 to the 4590 cost an extra £15 for .2GHz more, whereas 4590 to 4690 cost £25 for .2GHz at the time of purchase. It seems to be good, but haven't stress tested it yet (anyone know how to?)

MoBo: I ordered the ASRock H87 Pro4 but then cancelled it and got the H97 version instead as the 4590 is a Haswell Refresh CPU. The H97 was only £5 more than the H87 version anyway. It has all the ports I need and the BIOS is pretty nice too, though I have no experience with any other BIOS so ...

RAM: I went with standard 1600MHz CL9 RAM and apparently Corsair is one of the best RAM manufacturers. It also goes with the blue/black colour scheme even though I don't have a windowed case.

Storage: I really wanted an SSD for quicker boot times and without fast boot enabled, it takes about 10 seconds to boot. That's MUCH faster than the old dell laptop and its including the time it takes for me to type the 7 digit password. The 1tb WD Caviar Blue is for music, photos, word docs etc.

Case: The case changed a bit last minute. I was all set on the 200r but I suddenly realised that I needed dust filters since I live in a dusty area but the 200r didn't have any. I spotted the Fractal Design Define R4 for £60 on amazon but I wasn't allowed to order parts then as I still hadn't done my guitar exam and my parents wanted me to pass that before ordering. By the time I had done the exam and felt it went really well, the price went up to £68 on amazon :(. I am still really pleased that I got this case as it has fantastic cable management option which really helped me as a noob builder, an inbuilt fan controller and it is really silent. With the fans on 7V, I cannot hear a thing.

Power supply: Again a bit of a last minute switch up. I was going to go for the CX430M but since I was planning on adding a GPU in the future, my dad said to get a higher wattage PSU. Plus this is 80+ gold instead of just 80+ bronze. Semi-modularity really helped in cable management too.

Optical Drive: I went for the most rated and cheapest optical drive on PCPartPicker. It did the job, since I only really needed it for Windows installation, but it is seriously loud compared to the rest of the rig.

OS: I had a Windows 7 64 bit disk lying around at home so I used that. Personally, I prefer 7 to 8 and I feel more comfortable using 7.

Noob mistakes: I set everything up first outside the case to test all the components and I got really worried when nothing happened and the fans weren't spinning. I then realised I needed to short the connection with something metallic and touch the power switch pin. facepalm

Also, the system wasn't recognising the 1tb hard drive when I went onto Computer but it was because I hadn't formatted that disk.

Other than those, the build went really smoothly and I'm really pleased with the results. I thing I've got the PC building bug now as I can't wait to build another.

Quick question: If you look in the photos, you can see that CPU-Z says that the CPU is running at just under 800MHz but sometimes jumps up to about 3.4-5GHz and then straight back to 798.1MHz again. Any idea why? I thought the CPU might be throttling but it shouldn't be (I hope not anyway). I went onto the BIOS and the MoBo temperature sensor thing said it was 46 C. I think being in the BIOS counts as idle but I'm not sure. Can someone please help me out here.

Please leave any comments/suggestions down below and go easy on me, its my first build! Thanks

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Date PublishedAug. 1, 2014
Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Clock Rate3.3GHz
CPU Temperature While Idle-
CPU Temperature Under Load-
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Bulldog6565 5 points 1 month ago

I think (not entirely sure) why the CPU is going back and forth with the frequencies is because of the power saving feature. When you're web browsing or doing light tasks it remains at a low frequency to save power. If you were gaming or performing an intensive task then it kicks into Turbo Boost. Edit: Nice build btw +1

 
 
hjj174 4 points 1 month ago

You sir are correct about the power saver feature.

 
 
rishabhchugh13 [Submitter] [1 Build] 2 points 1 month ago

Thanks for explaining :)

 
 
SothothFatalis [1 Build] 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it's normal. Nothing to worry about. It's actually a good thing that it scales itself down when it doesn't need the extra power. A CPU that runs at max speed even when it doesn't need to will experience greater electron migration, which would make the CPU fail quicker.

 
 
rishabhchugh13 [Submitter] [1 Build] 2 points 1 month ago

Oh right, I didn't know that. Thanks :)

 
 
Matt1313 [1 Build] 3 points 1 month ago

To me the build looks great! And yes that is a very nice case for the price. PS when you start looking at GPU's check out the: MSI N750Ti TF 2GD5/OC http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n750titf2gd5oc And make sure you get the "Ti" version ;) also great job with those photos.

 
 
_Pheonix_ 1 point 1 month ago

agreed

 
 
rishabhchugh13 [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 1 month ago

Thanks! I'm glad you liked it. I put a lot of time and effort into it :)

 
 
PCMag 3 points 1 month ago

Good luck on your courses. Above average build for the price. Good job, and the cpu performance does remain at lower frequency levels when it is processing simple tasks.

 
 
rishabhchugh13 [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 1 month ago

Cheers mate :)

 
 
SothothFatalis [1 Build] 1 point 1 month ago

The CX 430 will power a surprisingly large amount; I've seen people stick GTX 770s on them, even though they're really not supposed to. Video card developers always list too high of power requirements, because there are so many terrible quality PSUs they have to compensate in case someone buys a horrible one. But if you get a decent quality PSU like one from Corsair, or a perfect quality PSU like a Seasonic G series, then typically you want to look at the amps per 12v rail when choosing a video card and PSU, not the raw wattage (which are exaggerated and easily manipulated). 430w really ends up being enough for any mid-range video card.

Still, 550w is extra breathing room and the quality overall is higher, so that helps.

 
 
rishabhchugh13 [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 1 month ago

Like you said, it's not supposed to. It's nice to have a bit of extra headroom and also, I read some horror stories about the corsair builder series PSUs and how they can catch fire. I decided to be better safe than sorry and spend a couple of extra pounds on a PSU than have to buy new components again as the PSU has trashed them.

I didn't know about the whole amps per rail thing so thanks for the info :)

 
 
PirateCoffee 1 point 1 month ago

Enjoy the IT Course.

 
 
rishabhchugh13 [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 1 month ago

Thanks

 
 
ITneto -2 points 1 month ago

I was going to downvote this... but now that I see a 14 yo boy built this I am obviously going to upvote it!! +1

 
 
rishabhchugh13 [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 1 month ago

Sorry, but why the down vote? Have I done something wrong? Is my parts choice bad?

 
 
ITneto 0 points 1 month ago

Oh, no great job! I mean nice partlist, and I don't know what is "SothothFatails" talking about. What do you need a GPU for, when you already have integrated graphics? haha I don't see why he would argue with that. This build is great for what is meant for, it's great, you could say, the build speaks for itself. So what's the point of telling us your age? Since kids started this trend on PCPP, I've done nothing but asking myself. What's the point? Do you get more upvotes for being young and liking tech? What kid of this age doesn't like tech?. Sorry If you didn't get my sarcasm

 
 
rishabhchugh13 [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 1 month ago

Haha, lol. Thanks for your support mate. A serious answer to your question is that people tend to think that if you are a child, you are suddenly less competent than someone who is an adult, even though I can probably truthfully say that I am more intellectual than 60% of the adult population in the UK. Maybe a lot more if your just judging mathematical and technological competence (I'm a bit of a nerd).

 
 
ITneto 0 points 1 month ago

Yeah, add some more confidence to your intellectual mind, boy. That's the attitude, show everyone that you can do more than the rest, but bragging around with your successes, or proving something to everyone, might get you in troubles, or might stop your personal growth. I mean, it's nice for you to be good at something, but showing it to everyone expecting to get some kind of respect? Anyway. Keep working on those skills. You seem like a good boy

 
 
rishabhchugh13 [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 1 month ago

I'm not showing off or bragging and I certainly don't need confidence from random people on the internet. I'm just stating a fact that kids are thought to be less competent than adults and are treated that way when we really aren't.

 
 
ITneto 0 points 1 month ago

"And I am just stating a fact that people won't give you upvotes for not being less competent" GG.

 
 
rishabhchugh13 [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 1 month ago

I didn't upload this build to get upvotes but to share with the community my thoughts on these parts and how they perform, and also to get some feedback from more experienced builders.

 
 
SothothFatalis [1 Build] 1 point 1 month ago

Nothing worth downvoting except the lack of GPU, and the description already explained that it's not for gaming right away. My brother has the same CPU/mobo combo actually, and it works perfectly and is extremely quick. Eats through every game and program he's tried easily, with plenty of power to spare when paired with a video card. The i5-4460 and i5-4590 are the best price/performance ratio i5s, only a few percent slower than the i5-4670k at stock for significantly less money.

The only thing I can think of that ITneto might be complaining about is that it's too strong for word processing and internet surfing.

 
 
rishabhchugh13 [Submitter] [1 Build] 1 point 1 month ago

The CPU does work really well tbh. The build is a bit overkill for word processing and internet surfing but like I said in the description, it is set up in a way that it will be capable of high gaming performance if I add in a discreet GPU if/when my ps3 dies.